tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post702659475070166994..comments2024-02-12T17:51:58.705-05:00Comments on Collecting Fashion Dolls by Terri Gold: Are There Any Jewish Dolls?Terri Goldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-23115635644084699112009-12-24T17:39:26.804-05:002009-12-24T17:39:26.804-05:00Jessica: That is a riot! Thanks for the link.Jessica: That is a riot! Thanks for the link.Terri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-34563503637645960662009-12-24T16:21:14.944-05:002009-12-24T16:21:14.944-05:00Hi Terri!
This blog reminded me of a movie I watc...Hi Terri!<br /><br />This blog reminded me of a movie I watched called Wedding Daze. I found a clip on YouTube of the part it reminded me of but it's cruddy quality. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUu9-qEa8s<br />Hugs, JessicaJessicahttp://www.cozycouture.110mb.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-4588489951576375182009-12-18T23:00:49.601-05:002009-12-18T23:00:49.601-05:00@GrimaLenore: Huh?@GrimaLenore: Huh?Terri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-32992888756525253422009-12-18T18:12:00.857-05:002009-12-18T18:12:00.857-05:00I think the reason that the cross works on vampire...I think the reason that the cross works on vampires isn't neccessarily because Jesus died on a cross. Vampires are (in fiction) older than Christianity, and I assume it would always have worked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-57984269272124873122009-12-17T11:11:18.817-05:002009-12-17T11:11:18.817-05:00@Marna: A crucifix is a cross with the figure of J...@Marna: A crucifix is a cross with the figure of Jesus on it. Thanks for your post.<br />TerriTerri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-69703942989751245752009-12-17T03:47:23.099-05:002009-12-17T03:47:23.099-05:00Terri, I know exactly what you mean. In fact, I ju...Terri, I know exactly what you mean. In fact, I just dressed one of my dolls in a little black dress, & I was going to use a cross necklace from a NuFace girl, but took it off because I felt it was a Christian symbol & I was uncomfortable about it. I'm not sure why a cross can be just a fashion statement, but a Star of David is always a religious symbol. Why isn't it ever a fashion statement too?<br /><br />I am not sure what the difference between a crucifx & a cross is, do they look different? I always thought they were the same thing.<br /><br />As for the whole Jewish doll thing, that sort of brings me to something that always annoys me. When people say somebody does or doesn't "look Jewish". How do you look like a religion? You don't hear people say "funny, Sue doesn't look Baptist" or "Tom looks like a typical Catholic" so why do Jews have to look a certain way? Unless you happen to be Hasidic, or you're wearing a bubushka & shawl, & you just landed at Ellis island, Jewish people look like everyone else, & so do dolls. That little Gali girl looks like a Jew to me.<br /><br />As for qualifying Happy Chanukah or Merry Christmas, I don't. It drives me insane when I go to a store & as part of their customer service, the sales or checkout people ask me if I got all my Christmas shopping done, or if my tree is up, or if I'll be with my entire family for Christmas. It absolutely never occurs to them that I might not celebrate Christmas & it makes me want to scream. I usually just stick to Happy Holidays unless I really mean to get specific for a specific person. That way I don't make anybody else feel like screaming either.Marnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04777656191710377289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-35124337871758554632009-12-16T19:38:55.375-05:002009-12-16T19:38:55.375-05:00@Anonymous: You said, "If someone wears camou...@Anonymous: You said, "If someone wears camouflage, nobody jumps to the conclusion that the person is a fascist or even very militant,"<br />How do you know what "nobody" thinks? <br />As far as your having "never thought" about what saying 'Merry Christmas' means to non-Christians, perhaps now you WILL think about it and some of the other things you said as well. Move out of your comfort zone and get an education.Terri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-16657206532052108852009-12-16T18:48:04.724-05:002009-12-16T18:48:04.724-05:00I never thought of saying "merry Christmas&qu...I never thought of saying "merry Christmas" as being an assumption that everyone celebrates it... Now that I think about it, I would dislike the "...to those who celebrate it", because it sounds so exclusivist, like saying "season's greetings, except to the following people..." But that is just my personal view, and I do come from a very christian country (as in, a very large majority of the population identify as christians or non-religious compared to the next largest religion).<br />I do not consider myself a christian, but I do wear crosses, because my being not really christian does not in my opinion prevent me from agreeing with Jesus about the things he said and the values he taught. So, if there has to be a religious reason behind my choice of jewelry it is that. There are also pieces of jewelry that happen to be crosses, but are more importantly heirlooms from beloved friends and family, or have been given to me at special moments in my life, and that is their connotation first and foremost, and only after that, if at all, something religious.<br />In general, I do not like this sort of categorisation. If someone wears camouflage, nobody jumps to the conclusion that the person is a fascist or even very militant, even though that is another "symbol" with very clear connotations. Some people wear crosses as fashion. Japanese couples have fake-christian weddings because it's cool, not because of its christian religious meaning. Symbols have mutually agreed upon meanings, but it does not remove the fact that they might mean something entirely else to a single individual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-29134907822936455092009-12-15T13:10:43.573-05:002009-12-15T13:10:43.573-05:00".and I'm not responsible for their comfo...".and I'm not responsible for their comfort level anymore."<br /><br />I feel the same way in other areas of my life. Religion isn't important to me so I often overlook it. I generally say "happy season of vapid consumerism" because that's really how I see it.<br /><br />Good for you for not qualifying yourself anymore.URIAHhttp://uriahredden.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-91969427345187390322009-12-15T13:02:51.102-05:002009-12-15T13:02:51.102-05:00@Uriah: Let's raise the awareness of those who...@Uriah: Let's raise the awareness of those who grew up seeing crosses on family members and in churches, wearing crosses and generally accustomed to crosses in their lives. Those for whom the cross does not symbolize their religion do not see the cross in the same light. Crosses are seen as symbols of Christianity by most non-Christians. <br />This is the idea behind the question of whether to say Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas. Do you consider whether or not the person you are wishing Merry Christmas to actually celebrates Christmas? When I started photographing my dolls, I set them in Christmas scenes and Chanukah scenes. I was fine with both but here's something interesting I found out about myself. In the past when I posted a Chanukah picture, I said "Happy Chanukah to those who celebrate Chanukah." When I said Merry Christmas, there was no 'to those who celebrate' attached. This year I decided to just say Happy Chanukah. People aren't used to that and don't know what to say for the most part...and I'm not responsible for their comfort level anymore.Terri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-71511587399637589372009-12-15T12:34:05.548-05:002009-12-15T12:34:05.548-05:00Interesting read, some stuff I wasn't aware of...Interesting read, some stuff I wasn't aware of on the market.<br /><br />As for religious imagery, crosses predate christianity. They are so ubiquitous that they are seen as fashion rather than religion quite often. It's probably more commercial oppression than anything. You can put a cross on a doll and it's just fashion, but if you put a Star of David on a doll, I doubt the same would be true.<br /><br />That might be a good thing. Is it good to have a religious icon diluted until it can be stripped of all meaning other than "I thought it looked cute with this outfit?"URIAHhttp://uriahredden.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-44995929922473067302009-12-15T08:39:14.783-05:002009-12-15T08:39:14.783-05:00If you go by the shopping channels, crosses can ju...If you go by the shopping channels, crosses can just be fashion statements without any religious connotation. But in the next breath, they are pushing the religious aspect! <br /><br />I think Wu is just using it as a design element. No profile I have read of him mentions any religious side to him. I can understand someone who is non-Christian being a little ticked off at the use (not to say you are!). <br /><br />Two of the Hommes could be interpreted as being Catholics since they come from very Catholic countries. Having a tiny cross on them MAY refer to that. <br /><br />Fran in NYCFran in NYCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-79450512616226065452009-12-15T04:21:19.442-05:002009-12-15T04:21:19.442-05:00...kinda like the word "Hispanics"... an......kinda like the word "Hispanics"... anyone with any human look under the sun can be "Hispanic"... speaking of "Hispanic"... there is also a large population of "Hispanic" "Jews"...<br /><br />as for the cross. I think it is more of a fashion statement than religious... except maybe in the context of the Vanessa doll... she is a vampire hunter after all ;) but then to believe that vampires would be scared of signs of Christianity, one must believe in Christ first *goes round in circles... dizzy now*<br /><br />I don't know if the cross means that Vanessa's character is "Christian"... perhaps the symbol has pagan links!<br /><br />That said, it is trendy in some circles (mostly subculture eg. goth, punk, metal) to wear pentagrams, septagrams. other-grams... upways and downways... but we are not seeing those symbols on many dolls yet.Dolls of Colorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720116692944814805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-67251915165954155602009-12-15T00:12:56.133-05:002009-12-15T00:12:56.133-05:00Tricky and annoying...anyone can be Jewish no matt...Tricky and annoying...anyone can be Jewish no matter what they look like and that includes non-Caucasians. The real question was about the cross.Terri Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252743227474930359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-217917876331578492.post-66987180822314615212009-12-15T00:03:28.805-05:002009-12-15T00:03:28.805-05:00I would say most Caucasian dolls can past for Jewi...I would say most Caucasian dolls can past for Jewish... unless you are looking for dolls that a obviously and stereotypically Jewish... then you will be walking on a fine line between racist depictions and ethnic othering... tricky and annoying! And by Jewish... do you mean ethnic Jewish or religious Jewish?Dolls of Colorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720116692944814805noreply@blogger.com